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    Key thing here is Evolution is a 'Theory' not FACT!

    Too many times its taught as 'Fact' when in reality its a 'Theory' just as the Theory of relativity is a theory, not a fact, that today is being broken as we speak.

    Very simply put to say this is a fact when its a theory bespeaks some measure of hubris thats not good to have.

    Mutations are NEVER good, they hinder and harm, adaptation is the key here in biological diversity not 'evolution or mutations'.

    If some kind of critter cant adapt to changes in nature, it dont last long, its that simple.


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    Evolution teaches that something that looked like this . . .



    . . . eventually gave rise to something that looks like this:



    I don't find it all that hard to believe . . .
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    I don't want to debate the science of evolution, because it's clearly correct. What I don't get is the idea that evolution isn't compatible with the idea that a God didn't somehow get the ball rolling in someway. Because we'll never know how that happened, and evolution is correct, I can't see how the former can't gel with reality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dittany View Post
    I don't want to debate the science of evolution, because it's clearly correct. What I don't get is the idea that evolution isn't compatible with the idea that a God didn't somehow get the ball rolling in someway. Because we'll never know how that happened, and evolution is correct, I can't see how the former can't gel with reality.
    Evolution is clearly correct when you don't know much about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dittany View Post
    I don't want to debate the science of evolution, because it's clearly correct. What I don't get is the idea that evolution isn't compatible with the idea that a God didn't somehow get the ball rolling in someway. Because we'll never know how that happened, and evolution is correct, I can't see how the former can't gel with reality.
    Evolution is the wet dream of those who don't understand genetics. The reason you don't want to debate the "science" of evolution is because you can't. NO ONE can because there is no science to evolution. It is nothing but bad religion taught as fact to our kids in school.

    OTOH, NATURAL SELECTION is likely to what you refer...that has been happening for quite some time and no one with a functioning brain cell says otherwise.

    The following is something I came up with a number of years ago...I have yet to have anyone rebut it with anything other than fantastical religiosity.
    Since there exists on this board, those who enjoy discussing the magical transformation of an original single-celled organism into all life on planet Earth, I thought I'd post a primer on human anatomy/physiology.

    Evolutionists (ETBs – Evolution True Believers) absolutely believe ALL life on planet Earth arose from an Original Progenitor of Life (OPoL or simply "Fred" or possibly more accurately “Frieda”).

    Frieda is a fraction the size of the period at the end of this sentence. I am a 5’11" male, weighing approximately 190 lbs. My body consists of roughly 100 TRILLION cells (smaller than the aforementioned period) grouped together into varying tissues, organs, and systems.

    The 4 primary tissues of the human body:

    1) Epithelial
    The cells of epithelial tissue pack tightly together, and form continuous sheets. These sheets serve as body linings. Epithelial tissue serves as fascia that ‘lines’, separates and protects the organs. Some other examples of epithelial tissue are the outer layer of the skin, the inside of the mouth and stomach, and the tissue surrounding the body's organs.

    2) Connective
    Generally speaking, connective tissue adds support and structure to the body. Most types of connective tissue contain fibrous strands of the protein collagen that add strength to it. The inner layers of skin, tendons, ligaments, cartilage, bone and fat tissue are all connective tissues. Blood is also considered a form of connective tissue.

    3) Muscle
    Muscle tissue is a specialized tissue that can contract. It contains the specialized proteins actin and myosin, which slide past one another and allow movement. The three main types of muscle are striated (biceps, deltoid, etc), smooth (sphincters) and cardiac (the heart).

    4) Nerve
    Nerve tissue is comprised of two types of cells: neurons and glial cells. Nerve tissue has the unique ability to generate and conduct electrical signals. These electrical messages are processed by nerve tissue in the brain and transmitted via the spinal cord and peripheral nerves to the body. Other highly specialized nerves (Cranial) nerves allow for sight, hearing and other senses. Neurons are the electrochemically conductive cells. Glial cells (glia - Greek for "glue"), are non-neuronal cells that provide support and nutrition, maintain homeostasis, form myelin, and participate in signal transmission in the nervous system. The four main functions of glial cells are to surround neurons and hold them in place, to supply nutrients and oxygen to neurons, to insulate one neuron from another, and to destroy pathogens and remove dead neurons. They also modulate neurotransmission.

    Organs

    An organ is a structure that contains at least two different types of tissue functioning together for a common purpose. The liver, kidneys, heart, pancreas, gall bladder, intestines, brain, eyes, tongue, spleen, and skin are organs.

    The skin is the largest organ in the human body and is an excellent example for explanation purposes. The skin has three layers: the epidermis, dermis and subcutaneous. The epidermis is the outermost layer of skin and is comprised of tightly packed epithelial tissue provides a barrier between the inside of the body and the outside world. Underneath that lies a layer of connective tissue called the dermis. It not only provides support for, but also contains blood vessels and nerve tissue, which nourishes and provides feeling in the skin. Is also contains muscle tissue that is responsible for giving you 'goosebumps' when you get cold or frightened. The subcutaneous layer is beneath the dermis and consists mainly of adipose tissue (fat), which helps cushion the skin and provide protection from cold temperatures.

    Organ Systems

    Organ systems are composed of two or more different organs that work together to provide a common function. There are 10 major organ systems in the human body, they are the:

    1) Skeletal
    Major Organs:
    Bones, cartilage, tendons and ligaments.

    Major Role:
    The main role of the skeletal system is to provide support for the body, to protect internal organs and to provide attachment sites for the organs.


    2) Muscular
    Major Organs:

    Skeletal muscles and smooth muscles throughout the body.

    Major Role:
    The main role of the muscular system is to provide movement the limbs and allow mobility. Muscles also control the movement of materials through some organs, such as the stomach and intestine, and the heart and circulatory system.

    3) Circulatory
    Major Organs:

    Heart, blood vessels and blood.

    Major Role:
    The main role of the circulatory system is to transport nutrients, gases (such as oxygen and CO2), hormones and wastes through the body.

    4) Nervous
    Major Organs:

    Brain, spinal cord and peripheral nerves.

    Major Role:
    The main role of the nervous system is to relay electrical signals through the body. The nervous system directs behavior and movement and, along with the endocrine system, controls physiological processes such as digestion, circulation, etc.

    5) Respiratory
    Major Organs:

    Nose, trachea and lungs.

    Major Role:
    The main role of the respiratory system is to provide gas exchange between the blood and the environment. Primarily, oxygen is absorbed from the atmosphere into the body and carbon dioxide is expelled from the body.

    6) Digestive
    Major Organs:

    Mouth, esophagus, stomach, small and large intestines.

    Major Role:
    The main role of the digestive system is to breakdown and absorb nutrients that are necessary for growth and maintenance.

    7) Excretory
    Major Organs:

    Kidneys, ureters, bladder and urethra.

    Major Role:
    The main role of the excretory system is to filter out cellular wastes, toxins and excess water or nutrients from the circulatory system.


    8) Endocrine
    Major Organs:

    Many glands exist in the body that secrete endocrine hormones. Among these are the hypothalamus, pituitary, thyroid, pancreas and adrenal glands.

    Major Role:
    The main role of the endocrine system is to relay chemical messages through the body. In conjunction with the nervous system, these chemical messages help control physiological processes such as nutrient absorption, growth, etc.

    9) Reproductive
    Major Organs:

    Female: ovaries, oviducts, uterus, vagina and mammary glands.
    Male: testes, seminal vesicles and penis.

    Major Role:
    The main role of the reproductive system is to manufacture cells that allow reproduction. In the male, sperm are created to inseminate egg cells produced in the female.

    10) Lymphatic/Immune
    Major Organs:

    Lymph, lymph nodes and vessels, white blood cells, T- and B- cells.

    Major Role:
    The main role of the immune system is to destroy and remove invading microbes and viruses from the body. The lymphatic system also removes fat and excess fluids from the blood.

    A cursory investigation of the human body leaves absolutely no doubt as to the complexity of the human body. How can ANYONE, let alone “experts” of the field think the human body randomly mutated from "Frieda" into "me"?

    For our friends who continue to hold true to evolution:

    Describe the evolutionary "pressures" necessary to cause "Frieda" to become multi-cellular, while “skipping” the 2, 3, 4, 5, & 6 cell mutations. (There are no such organisms)

    Explain the "pressures" necessary to cause the diversification and specialization of the multiple cells.

    Explain the "pressures" necessary to cause the differing tissues, organs and organ systems to develop.

    Explain the “pressures” necessary to cause an asexual organism to become a sexually reproducing being. You see, “Frieda”, logically, HAD to be asexual. “She” was the ORIGINAL progenitor of life.

    Explain how the interdependent organ systems could develop independently of one another...for example, which came first?

    - The skeletal system, the muscular system or the skin?
    - The digestive, circulatory, respiratory or endocrine system?
    - Sight, hearing, taste, or the brain?
    - Blood or blood vessels?

    And, speaking of blood, which component of blood "evolved" first? Red blood cells, white blood cells, platelets, antibodies, plasma (lymph) or hemoglobin?

    Please keep in mind, if ANY of the components are absent, the cell dies and, therefore so does Frieda, in short order.

    Then please realize there are two distinct Kingdoms of Life – Plant & Animal. Was “Frieda” a plant or an animal? If one studies plant and animal cell structure, one will find similarities, but also differences that cannot be explained by evolution/mutation.

    The human body HAD TO BE created. There is no way the human body could've "evolved" from Frieda...I care not whether the universe is 6000 years old or 600 trillion, no amount of time would be sufficient to bring this being "into being" (and I'm talking about Frieda, not me).

    And, the kicker...humanity is but one of hundreds of MILLIONS of life forms - plant, animal, fungal and bacterial - on the planet.

    Now, who REALLY believes in fairy tales…Creationists or Creation deniers?
    As I said, I came up with that more than a few years ago. But, by all means, have a stab at it...just remember to KEEP YOUR ANSWER(S) CONFINED TO SCIENCE.

    Just one more little tidbit of information for you. Every one of the aforementioned 100 TRILLION cells contains a complete copy of your DNA. Each strand of DNA, when stretched out, is roughly 6 FEET long (some contend that it is closer to seven feet). Doing the math, that's 600 TRILLION feet of DNA in your body alone. Let's do a little math...let's round UP to 6000 feet being one mile (it's actually 5280). 600 trillion divided by 6000 equals 100,000,000,000 (100 billion) miles of DNA in YOUR body. Now, let's round UP the distance from Earth to the Sun to 100 million miles (it's actually closer to 93 million). To and from the Sun 5 times is ONE billion miles. Soooo...the DNA in YOUR body alone would go to the Sun and back 500 times.

    So tell us HOW evolution is "correct". Better yet, tell us how it is even possible.


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    The reason I don't want to debate is because it's pointless - when was anyone convinced by a debate on the internet about evolution? If you missed out on it at school, a few posts on a message board aren't going to help. There are some good books out there on it if you're interested, but if it clashes with your biblical worldview, they're not going to be easy to swallow. Good luck with it though.

    Evolution is the scientific framework through which biology makes sense.

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    You're joking? Right Dittany??

    Didnt you read anything Timberwolf even said?


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    Of course I'm not joking, I skimmed a little of what Timberwolf wrote, but as evolution is so well established, its truth is not remotely in question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dittany View Post
    Of course I'm not joking, I skimmed a little of what Timberwolf wrote, but as evolution is so well established, its truth is not remotely in question.
    Why dont you just READ for a change, it isnt called 'Theory' for nothing, its NOT FACT yet.

    Remember a good scientist will check every source available in order to prove the theory, NOT doing so makes that scientist a fool, are you like that? Or do you truly want to check Every single angle in every theory available?

    Read, read, and read, learn it all, every theory in order to be able to be Sure evolution is or isnt true, its NOT a Fact, its a Theory which says science isnt completely sure its truth yet.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Rink View Post
    You're joking? Right Dittany??

    Didnt you read anything Timberwolf even said?
    Nah , Evo folks don't read , they just regurgitate ...

    Creationists read all their ramblings , counter them point by point , yet the "edumicated" chose to be uneducated ....

    They're propably flat earthers , too , since their is no point arguing with "facts"




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