Perilous times indeed.

[Justaguy]

This deserves serious review and consideration. Especially the last paragraph of page 1 and the 1st full paragraph of page 2.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/defa...s_20111117.pdf

Basically, they are going to use the military on American soil to round up "terrorists" and hold them in detention without due process.

Read sections 1031 and 1032 of this document (the bill) It says they have the authority but not the mandatory responsibility to round up terrorists which may include American citizens. It's tricky language.

Maybe I'm wrong, and I hope I am, but this may be a very slippery slope.

[sunsettommy]

This is one way to create a dictatorship.

Recall how Hitler increased his power from Chancellor to Dictatorship.From 1933 to 1935.

[Lurker]

Just curious, did any of you protest these measures when they were implemented under Bush? Note that the link cited says specifically that these are from AUMF which came under Bush. they are merely trying to codify the AUMF.

Now, I do not think any American citizen should have their rights stripped away due to them being accused or even being a terrorist. I don't care if Bush or Obama tries to do it - it is wrong.

[Johnny Yuma]

Actually , Lurker , there were many of us who questioned this ... and were called paranoid ...

[Lurker]

Johnny:

Glad to hear it. I don't recall there being much hue or cry against AUMF back when it was instituted. I even recall conservatives saying that you had nothing to fear if you were innocent.

But I am glad to hear that you objected, Johnny. Indefinite detention of Americans without trial is unAmerican no matter what they are accused of.

[Justaguy]

Johnny:

Glad to hear it. I don't recall there being much hue or cry against AUMF back when it was instituted. I even recall conservatives saying that you had nothing to fear if you were innocent.

But I am glad to hear that you objected, Johnny. Indefinite detention of Americans without trial is unAmerican no matter what they are accused of.

I objected. I objected to the Patriot act. I objected to the millitary commissions act. I've seen for a long time what track this train is on.

[Unregistered]

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[Wolf Counsel]

Now, I do not think any American citizen should have their rights stripped away due to them being accused or even being a terrorist. I don't care if Bush or Obama tries to do it - it is wrong.

I disagree. All established terrorists as well as gang members need to be deported, preferably to China.

[Lubbock]

We do have actual terrorists/terrorist cells here operating on our soil, using our freedoms to foment our destruction --Muslims, and you will notice I said Muslims, not Radical Muslims.

The problem is this: The Left, who would love noting more than to see the nation destroyed, are working hand-in-hand with the terrorists through terrorist-supported entities such as CAIR.

Now we have a Marxist Nazi Kenyan --a Red-Diaper Baby, in office who has been schooled from diapers up to hate the nation; he's brought his Nazi Regime with him into office and they are working hand-in-hand with CAIR and the New Black Panthers, and all of the rest of the American Haters toward seeing the nation destroyed.

Truth be known, 0bastard and his minions will not be satisfied until every last opponent is in a death camp, awaiting execution.

I do hope this nation does not re-Nig on November 6, 2012. If we do, we're sunk.

Three years ago you couldn't have put a gun to my head and made me even smile at a phrase such as "re-Nig," but today I think it's hilarious, and true. The sonofabitch has nearly turned me into a racist for sure. 0bastard --the Marxist Nazi has done more to harm race relations than anything since the Civil War. More than the Liberal Racist Democrats who tried to stop Civil Rights, certainly.

[Lurker]

We do have actual terrorists/terrorist cells here operating on our soil, using our freedoms to foment our destruction --Muslims, and you will notice I said Muslims, not Radical Muslims.

It appears you are trying to be provocative. I am sure there is a long history for the genesis of this thought process. Probably includes the "the mainstream muslims did not speak out" blah, blah, blah. Funny thing is they DID speak out and have spoken out pretty regularly.

The problem is this: The Left, who would love noting more than to see the nation destroyed, are working hand-in-hand with the terrorists through terrorist-supported entities such as CAIR.

The hate is strong in this one.

Now we have a Marxist Nazi Kenyan --a Red-Diaper Baby, in office who has been schooled from diapers up to hate the nation; he's brought his Nazi Regime with him into office and they are working hand-in-hand with CAIR and the New Black Panthers, and all of the rest of the American Haters toward seeing the nation destroyed.

It is so easy to say this claptrap, another thing to provide evidence. You live a very paranoid life.

Truth be known, 0bastard and his minions will not be satisfied until every last opponent is in a death camp, awaiting execution.

I hope this is hyperbole but I doubt it. Any actual evidence of a death camp? Man, Obama is the most ineffectual nazi/muslim/commie/Black Panther/American Hater/marxist ever. He has gotten all the way to the Presidency - even had a majority in Congress for a little bit, and the moron STILL cannot get ONE opponent executed. Matter of fact he screws up so badly that he even executes his ally, Osama bin Laden. Is that about right?

I do hope this nation does not re-Nig on November 6, 2012. If we do, we're sunk.

Apocalyptic rhetoric noted.

Three years ago you couldn't have put a gun to my head and made me even smile at a phrase such as "re-Nig," but today I think it's hilarious, and true. The sonofabitch has nearly turned me into a racist for sure. 0bastard --the Marxist Nazi has done more to harm race relations than anything since the Civil War. More than the Liberal Racist Democrats who tried to stop Civil Rights, certainly.

Yes, there were liberal racist democrats in the south but the northern democrats voted FOR civil rights. It was less of a Republican/Democrat issue than a north vs south issue. Here, let me provide evidence (as I always do) for what I am talking about:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Rights_Act_of_1964

By party and region Note: "Southern", as used in this section, refers to members of Congress from the eleven states that made up the Confederate States of America in the American Civil War. "Northern" refers to members from the other 39 states, regardless of the geographic location of those states.

The original House version:
■Southern Democrats: 7–87 (7%–93%)
■Southern Republicans: 0–10 (0%–100%)
■Northern Democrats: 145-9 (94%–6%)
■Northern Republicans: 138-24 (85%–15%)

The Senate version:
■Southern Democrats: 1–20 (5%–95%)
■Southern Republicans: 0–1 (0%–100%)
■Northern Democrats: 45-1 (98%–2%)
■Northern Republicans: 27-5 (84%–16%)

Seems like the trend is north/south, not Dem/Repub. Anyway, as you can see, the majority of Dems voted for the Civil Rights Act of 1964. If you look at the south, yes a majority of Dems in that region voted against it. I would add that ALL the Republicans in that region voted against it.

So, here is a chance for you to actually review the evidence and assimilate it. Hopefully we won't hear broadbrush about Dems being against Civil Rights. Feel free to say that majority of southern Dems were against Civil Rights (but don't forget the majority of southern Republicans were as well).

Now, you and I both know that you won't dare change your rhetoric. Why, to do so would hint that you were actually wrong about something and we must never admit that, right?

Cue the chorus of people ignoring the evidence.....